Thursday 14 March 2013

We don't worship the Kaaba nor is it a shiv lingam



There are many myths and a lot of misinformation on the internet that is being passed around by our brothers who adhere to hinduism regarding the Kaaba, the black stone and its significance in a muslims life

Essentially there are two points that those people point out

  1. Muslims worship the kaaba  - i.e. Islam is against idol worship then why do they kiss the black stone and bow to the kaaba ? People who ask this question try to accuse is that either muslims are hypocritical in their beliefs
  2. The black stone is a shiv ling – baah (Yes and manmohan singh is a closet rapper)


I am writing this post to refute the two assertions mentioned above.

 Muslims do not worship the kaaba.

      
      First I would like to point out with a simple illustration how idol worship works.
      








          If the idol were to be placed behind the wall ? How would the worshipper perform his/her worship

  •          By going to the idol behind the wall
  •         By bringing the idol back to where it was
      As far as the Kaaba (which literally means the cube)  is concerned there exists numerous walls , buildings , mountains etc and other physical barriers between a Muslim and the Kaaba.

The idea is not to venerate it because it grants as wishes, but we venerate it – by facing it when we pray - because we are asked to do so in the quran by Allah, the most beneficent and the most merciful. The Kaaba serves as a source of unity and a spiritual bond between all Muslims across all ages ,eras and nationalities. 

It  does’nt matter if you are taxi driver in byculla(Mumbai) or a king in the 10th century or an astronaut,a pauper or a prince. You may hate each other because of nationality, but as long as you are a Muslim you will remain a part of brotherhood till the end of time by the virtue of praying in the same direction.
Hence the Kaaba is different from your regular man made idol. No Muslim has a miniature Kaaba at home, which they turn to while worshipping (even if they do it serves the purpose of a show piece)
The idea of facing one direction signifies the belief in one God, the creator – Allah without any partners.

        The black stone is not a shiv ling



The world of Internet is probably one of the most ubiquitous source of information these days. However, there also exists a lot of miss-information as well. If one were to search “kaaba shiv linga” on google , one would hundreds if not thousands of websites that proclaim that the black stone in the kaaba at mecca is a shiv linga or the kaaba was actually a shiv temple and that muslims actually worship it. The above conclusions could not have been further from the truth. 




                                               
                   The fragmented black stone, front and side illustrations                                                                     




Shiv lingam

The above images clearly depicts difference between the two. Moreover several people who have themselvess seen the blackstone have provided description that (indirectly) clearly indicate that the black stone is very much unlike the shiv lingam.


 Visiting the Kaaba in 1853, Sir Richard Francis Burton noted that:
The colour appeared to me black and metallic, and the centre of the stone was sunk about two inches below the metallic circle. Round the sides was a reddish brown cement, almost level with the metal, and sloping down to the middle of the stone. The band is now a massive arch of gold or silver gilt. I found the aperture in which the stone is, one span and three fingers broad   Ritter von Laurin, the Austrian consul-general in Egypt, was able to inspect a fragment of the Stone removed by Muhammad Ali in 1817 and reported that it had a pitch-black exterior and a silver-grey, fine-grained interior in which tiny cubes of a bottle-green material were embedded. There are reportedly a few white or yellow spots on the face of the Stone, and it is officially described as being white with the exception of the face.
Shiv linga appears to be stone that is immovable and cannot be stolen. However, the black stone at kaaba  has suffered desecrations and significant damage over the centuries. It is said to have been struck and smashed to pieces by a stone fired from a catapult during the Umayyad siege of Mecca in 683. The fragments were rejoined by Abd Allah ibn Zubayr using a silver ligament.  In January 930 it was stolen by the Qarmatians, who carried the Black Stone away to their base in Hajar (modern Bahrain). According to Ottoman historian Qutb al-Din, writing in 1857, Qarmatian leader Abu Tahir al-Qarmati set the Black Stone up in his own mosque, the Masjid al-Dirar, with the intention of redirecting the Hajj away from Mecca.However, this failed, and pilgrims continued to venerate the spot where the Black Stone had been.
According to historian Al-Juwayni, the Stone was returned twenty-three years later, in 952. The Qarmatians held the Black Stone for ransom, and forced the Abbasids to pay a huge sum for its return. It was wrapped in a sack and thrown into the Friday Mosque of Kufa, accompanied by a note saying "By command we took it, and by command we have brought it back." Its abduction and removal caused further damage, breaking the stone into seven pieces. Its abductor, Abu Tahir, is said to have met a terrible fate; according to Qutb al-Din, "the filthy Abu Tahir was afflicted with a gangrenous sore, his flesh was eaten away by worms, and he died a most terrible death."
In the 11th century, a man allegedly sent by the Fatimid Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah attempted to smash the Black Stone, but was killed on the spot, having caused only slight damage. In 1674, according to Johann Ludwig Burckhardt, someone smeared the Black Stone with excrement so that "every one who kissed it retired with a sullied beard". The Shi'ite Persians were suspected of being responsible and were the target of curses from other Muslims for centuries afterwards, though explorer Sir Richard Francis Burton doubted that they were the culprits; he attributed the act to "some Jew or Greek, who risked his life to gratify a furious bigotry.

It is therefore obvious from the above historical and theological responses that all claims related to kaaba being a shiv temple and the black stone being a shiv ling are false.






11 comments:

  1. How did Prophet Mohammed worship the Black Stone? And where did it originate, from which prophet and where did it come from?

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  2. I think we should respect each and every religion on earth - even if it is not our own. A Muslim has every right to follow his faith and religion. So does a Hindu. So does a Christian, a Buddhist, a Jain, a Sikh, or for that matter any other religion. What should be banned is demeaning others, attacking persons of another faith, trying to convert them through inducements or threat, creating mischief or nuisance, etc. Once we respect each other and respect the religions of others, then only all the fighting and hate will stop. Let each person on earth practice what they want - without fear or favour. Our every move must go towards such freedom. Equally important is freedom for those who do not believe in any religion. Let them also live peacefully and happily. Instead of spending huge amount of time, money and energy on fighting, we must direct it towards enriching the people and their souls, feed the hungry, remove all diseases/ illness, try to bring about equality, and so on.

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  3. Truth is truth, but you don't want to accept as if it will make you an inferior. Understood that you must return from this evil cult sooner than later.

    The proofs are here (i hope you read):

    http://pparihar.com/2014/06/10/vedic-origin-of-islam/
    http://fullnfenil7.blogspot.de/2014/01/allah-is-shiv-and-kaaba-is.html#.VO8HYi709NQ
    http://dwayumakemefeel.blogspot.de/p/being-social.html
    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/is-the-kaaba-an-ancient-hindu-shiva-temple-confiscated-by-mohammed/comment-page-4/
    https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/shiva-linga-in-mecca-om-is-786/


    1. Muslims bow down to Kaba. Hindus bow before idols.
    2. Muslims claim to remember Allah while they bow to Kaba. Hindus claim to remember Eeshvar while bowing before idol.
    3. Muslims circumambulate and kiss the Kaba. Hindus do Aarti before idol and fold their hands.
    1. Muslims bow Kaba five times a day whereas most of the Hindus hardly bow to idols once a week.
    2. Muslims don’t have liberty of choosing their direction of bowing whereas Hindus can face whichever direction they want by choosing appropriate direction of idol.
    3. Hindus throw their idols after they perform their rituals especially on some occasions but no Muslims can ever think of doing so with the stone of Kaba.
    4. Hindus fold their hands before idol just to give respect to God but Muslims kiss the black stone because Muhammad did so.

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    1. You totally miss the point here what Islam is all about. We Muslims don't worship idols, buildings or whatever. De Kaaba is just a point of direction. If you're in a place somewhere and you don't know which direction to pray, than you can choose whatever direction to perform your prayers.

      We don't see Allah as an object at all. It's also not logic, because Allah has no start and has no end, He is also not born and also don't have children. We also don't know how Allah look like, unlike Hindus with all the images and idols.

      You know guys, just respect each other, I'm just glad I'm a Muslim elhamdoulilah. If you think we're aggressive and terrorists, than the whole world is a big mess believe me.

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  4. When one is born in a family of specific belief and religion , it is very natural to accept and worship the same without even questioning the very basic facts. We all go through this.
    Coming to Islam and Kaaba...the believers have failed to provide a proper explanation about " the black stone ". Many stories and many theories.
    But first question is what is this stone doing in the most respected and worshipped Mosque in the world ?? When there are more than 300,000 mosques in the world and none carries any stone or idol...why the most sacred mosques has it...?
    Second ...millions of muslims die without knowing and witnessing what is there inside Kaaba and they never even bother to know. The video which is out on youtube which was supposedly taken by some young sheikh of a royal family " inside Kaaba "....you can clearly see metal containers hanging on the top , which are usually found in a Shiv Temple where devotees fill water or milk to offer to Lord Shiva. Now what are these " kalashs "doing here ???
    Well possibly...many people must have tried removing this Black Stone from Kaana and many must have tried throwning it out too..but its power as described by someone earlier here must have compelled them to retain it there.
    Now..we hindus do a parikrama or seven circles of our wholy place but we do it clockwise...same is followed by muslims but in opposite direction.
    We remove our clothes and wear a white cloth , shave our heads and take shower to enter many of our very sacred places...same is being followed here.....
    And there are many many more things which can raise eye brows about this mystery...A very thorough introspection is needed and ofcourse an open mind to find the truth.

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  5. When one is born in a family of specific belief and religion , it is very natural to accept and worship the same without even questioning the very basic facts. We all go through this.
    Coming to Islam and Kaaba...the believers have failed to provide a proper explanation about " the black stone ". Many stories and many theories.
    But first question is what is this stone doing in the most respected and worshipped Mosque in the world ?? When there are more than 300,000 mosques in the world and none carries any stone or idol...why the most sacred mosques has it...?
    Second ...millions of muslims die without knowing and witnessing what is there inside Kaaba and they never even bother to know. The video which is out on youtube which was supposedly taken by some young sheikh of a royal family " inside Kaaba "....you can clearly see metal containers hanging on the top , which are usually found in a Shiv Temple where devotees fill water or milk to offer to Lord Shiva. Now what are these " kalashs "doing here ???
    Well possibly...many people must have tried removing this Black Stone from Kaana and many must have tried throwning it out too..but its power as described by someone earlier here must have compelled them to retain it there.
    Now..we hindus do a parikrama or seven circles of our wholy place but we do it clockwise...same is followed by muslims but in opposite direction.
    We remove our clothes and wear a white cloth , shave our heads and take shower to enter many of our very sacred places...same is being followed here.....
    And there are many many more things which can raise eye brows about this mystery...A very thorough introspection is needed and ofcourse an open mind to find the truth.

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  6. Buried Christian Empire in Yemen Casts New Light on Early ...
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    Dec 21, 2012 - Archeologists are studying the ruins of a buried Christian empire in the ... The sites have sparked a number of questions about the early history of Islam. ... to dispatch his warriors, mounted on elephants, to destroy the Kaaba.

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  7. your diagram about idol worship( in hindu tradition )is wrong. the idol is the image of Supreme Self. By worshiping an idol you are worshiping Yours Self, that is the vigraharadhana.

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  8. kaaba may not be a hindu shrine, but hindu culture is not purely pagan. hindus can accept every belief, and non- belief. Shivlimg, as per shivpurana represents the ultimate Universe. Hinduism is not a religion as Christianity or Islam. It contains many religions, and can accomodate any religion at any time. Please go through the history of Islam and Christianity in India closely and you can realize this. No body can destroy Hinduism, because there is nothing to be classified as that. No body can challenge Shiva, because there is nothing other than Shiva. Everything in for, and non form is Shiva, and 'It' is the Ultimate. Shiva is niether male, female on nuture, 'it' is not a substance, but a being. It is the supreme being, the brahman.

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  9. And studying Idol worship, there is a place in Kerala, the southern most state of Indian continet, at Ochira, where, Shiva is worshiped as Prabrhama. There is no Idol, just wast space. Round the cock a year, tens of thousands of people, from all religions and beleif come there to worship ' Prabrahma' the Ultimate truth. it is an age old tradition, even older than the islamic tradition, and still prevails.

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  10. Moslems worship Kabba,Mohammed and Quran.That is why the moslems start behavibg like savages when mohammed is ridiculed or quran is burnt.Hindus never react in such a savage way even when their idols are broken.Moslems worship kabba ha ha

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